i, for one, frankly do not know what can be done by the united states. and most of the calls for an american intervention such as flying over it -- i don't know what we would be doing with our aircraft, that doesn't solve the political problems on the ground. there isn't a good solution except one perhaps that is to say some form of international cooperation which we haven't been able to generate yet. that is to say the u.n. security council, particularly chinese and the russians, have to be part of the solution. >> and so the killing just continues on the ground indefinitely, right? >> alas, and do we send in the marines or whatever we send in or we bomb them. >> and we get in the middle of a civil war and, of course, ends badly. and the region erupts. the russians. it seems to me that it's not in the russians' best interests in the long run to continue standing beside a tyrant who seems to me, if the past is prologue, cannot survive this in the long run. >> i think you're right in terms of the interests. but there is a peculiar aspect, namely putin's p